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Guest Spotlight: Ashraf Karim

Ashraf Karim, Sr VP, Connected Customer Experiences & Technology at ServiceNow
Ashraf Karim
ServiceNow | Exec

About Ashraf Karim

Ashraf Karim is Senior Vice President of Connected Customer Experiences and Technology at ServiceNow, where she owns the entire post-sale experience and leads the company's Customer Zero program, running ServiceNow on ServiceNow. Her background spans data-driven customer experience work at Google, PayPal and Verizon. She brings deep expertise in agentic AI adoption and in measuring nondeterministic systems with LLM judges and customer effort scores.

Notable Quotes

"We are also Customer Zero. And what that means is that we test the products, the features, the capabilities before they become available to customers."

"It's not that technology is not working, technology is doing its job, but it's really around the performance and latency. The customer expectation, the user expectation is different."

"Our users didn't want us to use that process and they just wanted to know what was the outcome of it. Just do the work that you're supposed to do and just tell me what I should do next and what's my next best action."

"There is no bad ideas, there's just ideas. And if you were to look at every single idea from the vantage point of feedback and learning, then you have not lost. You have only to gain."

"I think of CSAT as a lagging indicator, and CES is more specific to that particular job, an intent that we expect that the customer was here for."

ServiceNow's Customer Zero approach to AI experimentation with Ashraf Karim
Ashraf Karim
ServiceNow | Sr VP, Connected Customer Experiences & Technology

ServiceNow's Customer Zero approach to AI experimentation

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Takeaways

All Takeaways

Nondeterministic output needs its own evaluation layer, so ServiceNow built an LLM judge that scores against a golden data set before anything reaches a customer.

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Users did not want the agentified version of the human process. They wanted the outcome and the next best action, not the steps.

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The fix was a feedback loop that narrates what the AI is doing in the background, which buys the patience a long task needs.

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The agentic skills worked. Users still abandoned them, because a five to fifteen minute wait broke their expectation of what AI should feel like.

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ServiceNow is its own Customer Zero, running the platform on itself and testing every feature internally before customers see it.

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